25 Jan 2011 @ 12:16 PM 

Here we go. It was not enough have to deal with completely unskilled recruiters. The new trend is letting Indians do recruiting. By Indians I don’t mean Native Americans, but Indians from India. I am sick of these Indian recruiters.

In my experience searching for a job, I had to deal with a plethora of so called recruiters. They are totally unskilled, they ask you for a resume and they disappear immediately thereafter. I call them keyword searchers. Yes they search for keywords on job boards and they find your resume. This is fine to sift through tons of resumes, but after that, you may think they start reading; think again, they are not able to read.

The new trend in this nightmare, is called Indian recruiters. Not really a scam, but close. They buy an American phone number (an easy task with VOIP), then they start bombing you with the most absurd jobs. I live in NC and they propose me crap such as a 3 month assignments in Oregon. Now, do they know a little about geography? Why a person not totally insane would move from NC to OR (probably more than 3,000 miles) for a shabby job?

Last call I received, I asked who eventually would pay for a face to face interview in Oregon. His answer was: the company will interview you only over the phone. Would you like to work for a company you never met one of their officials? Or your future boss? Are we insane here?

Besides their terrible accent (sometimes I don’t understand a word of what they are saying) why don’t they write me an email, so I can delete it immediately wasting only a second of  my time?

The proof they don’t read a resume, relies on what they search for. I give you an example; let say that your resume has, somewhere, that you have knowledge of Windows XP. A skill that probably 90% of people can claim (being an expert is another story). They will contact you for a position as Senior Windows Server administrator. Why? Because searching for keywords only, your resume pops up in their search.

Working in this way they waste time for the hiring company (assuming that the proposed job is not fake and I suspect 90% of those job does not exist), your own time and ultimately theirs (not that I care about them wasting their own time).

One of the best request I got was: “I saw your resume on xxxxxxx (a job board), would you be interested in this job? If yes, can you please send me your resume?” Now if they found my resume somewhere, why do they need my resume? It is like asking for my phone number during a phone call they placed to me. Pathetic, idiotic, stupid, moronic (I need a dictionary to find more appropriate adjectives).

One important thing. Never give out your resume to people less than serious. One big red flag is that they never tell you the name of the company they are recruiting for. What is that, secret services? You are not supposed to know the name of the company you will eventually work for? Talk of insanity. Second big red flag? Addresses and recruiting firm they put in their signature (when they write emails) are not existent or taken from a phone book, so are jobs they propose.

So, why do they need your resume? Something I can infer from my experience:

  • they collect resumes in order to reach their weekly quota. In a few discussion groups I had confirmation of my suspicion;
  • they are going to harass companies you worked for, in order to get some business; you better avoid that, if you want to use those companies as reference;
  • they might even try to steal your identity

I decided to publish on my blog some of their stupid requests, with name and all details provided by them. Emails don’t give them expectation of privacy, as my signature’s disclaimer says.

Recruiting is the new crooks’ frontier. Beware of recruiters, especially if from India!

Posted By: admin
Last Edit: 29 Aug 2011 @ 08:22 AM

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  1. admin says:

    I slightly edited the comment posted by William; I cut out a couple of bad words. I completely agree with those words, but I felt the need to remove them anyway. Sorry William!

  2. Alex says:

    Jesus Christ, I cant stand those guys. I deal enough with american recruiters that I feel are wasting my time as well but these guys really annoy the hell out of me.

    How should you have you resume online. I first tried taking my address out but got zero calls. Same for emails, seems the only way to do it has the full info. But I think thats TMI..

  3. admin says:

    As I said somewhere, American recruiters are pretty stupid, but Indians are much worse. Although I am not searching for a job right now, I still get many requests (mostly from Indians), so in my opinion there is no such thing as TMI. If they are interested, they can still send an email. I filter idiots in any way possible; if you have your own shared server, it’s something not hard to put in place. I also have my resume on a web page. In order to keep at bay idiots, you can get a Google Voice number, connect it to the phone you prefer, then set the Google Voice number to “always busy”; just remember to change the standard greeting message. Doing so, you divert all calls on Google Voicemail, you get an email every time somebody leaves a voicemail and you can call back ONLY people that seem to be serious. It’s a war, I know!!

  4. Jon says:

    Yeah, It’s a bit frustrating. It’s like a drunk ugly dude at a bar, the dude will hit on anyone that’s walking, and hopefully one day, he’ll hit the jackpot.

    I had a discussion with my wife about this. Say you do want to do a 3 month contract, they have to pay you, and the only way to pay you is into your bank account. They will steal your information.

    Aside from that, don’t ask me for my visa status. Stop calling it an urgent requirement. I work with a bunch of indians, and they talk exactly the way they type, Issues, urgent… it’s completely annoying knowing that I get 15 calls a day in an urgent requirement in the bay area. And what’s my rate? Well you cheap skate, your going to pay me pennies…

  5. Mick Jagger says:

    Thank you for posting this thread!!!!!This has become absolutely absurd. I have come to the point where I lookup their domain registrar and email a complaint reporting abuse/unsolicited use of personal information. I also like to return a word doc with a bunch of junk in it. Yes, a bit childish, but I couldn’t find an off-shore host from which to bomb them with spam!!!!

  6. Don says:

    Hi Admin,
    Thank you for you blog rant about Indian recruiters. I am unemployed and looking for work in Network Admin/Support and I have had the same experience with about Indian recruiters supposedly based in the US. They seem to be callng from US based numbers on my cell phone I see, but you are probably right as perhaps they buy US numbers and use VOIP to mask there location actually in Indiia I can tell the Indian accent and sometimes they use American names as an alias which is a red flag now I see it.
    I need a job soon that I do comply with some of there demands. You are right that in my experience some of them do not reply back once you send them their requisite info. I wonder if these jobs they offer really exist and why do they do it and waste my time. Thank you for a response as I need to find work from legitimate employers and recruiters.

  7. admin says:

    I would not comply to their requests, no matter how desperate you are. With Indians you are going nowhere and with American recruiters you are not much better off. The biggest red flag of all is when they ask you for a resume right off the bat. First of all they should already have a sort of resume (why contacting you then?), secondly they do not care a bit about your search, they need to meet a quota. The few serious people contacting me, asked for a resume only after we were already talking JOB. Eventually, if you feel compelled to send a resume out, make it in PDF format which is much harder to use for their data banks and especially is much harder to “recycle” it changing names and a few details. It’s a battle and you must have your weaponry well oiled. These worms exploit people in need, don’t play their game.

  8. JR says:

    I have been a software developer for over 20 years. No dinosaur here, I’m a Sun-certified Java developer, HTML5, Android/iOS\, javascript mobile warrior. When I interview for jobs, I usually succeed 30% to 40% of the time. Whenever the tech interviewer is a foreign national though, my success rate is zero. I never get the job, I’m always ‘unqualified’. I happen to like and respect the Asian country most of these fellows come from, I don’t mind the competition either (it helps keeps me sharp), and I enjoy working with them on jobs. But it’s not a level playing field, and I resent the hell out of that. If I see a So. Asian name on a recruiting email, I delete it (they’ve taken to using European names now). If the technical interviewer is a foreign national for a US job, I simply decline the interview: I’m not going to get the job anyway, so why waste my time and contribute to the charade that some kind of fair evaluation is taking place? And WTF are American college kids doing nowadays?

  9. nyxalinth says:

    I just had one of these to do telemarketing for T Mobile. Long story short (she didn’t seem to get what I was telling her about my experience) I declined and hung up. She called back, but I ignored it. If I want to do telemarketing for T Mobile, I’ll apply through their website.

  10. This is a very interesting article.

    IT scam tarnishes Obama aide Kundra’s image
    http://www.merinews.com/article/it-scam-tarnishes-obama-aide-kundras-image/15752039.shtml

  11. Traya says:

    These guys are terrible. I had one guy get snippy with me because I turned him down. Then another called 6 times in a row and then decided to call back the next morning and I finally unleashed a rant at the guy.

    I had crap luck with American recruiters too, they hit and run. One had me take tests, on which I did very well and didn’t call. I had some “advice me’ to include stuff I have no experience. One even sent me to an interview with…get this.. the wrong job description.

    I am glad I saw your post, this is ridiculous. I have been out of work for a few months and these people are nothing but a waste of time. I have an interview tomorrow, hopefully it pans out and I can hide my telephone number again.

  12. Tony says:

    Couldn’t agree more…had one experience that was particular infuriating…I’m a Sr. Level IT Exec with a 5 page resume. Got a call about a job which was an ideal fit. They had me fill out a 2 page questionaire that was basically a regurgitation of my resume. The the 1/2 hour phone screen. THEN they wanted my full social and full DOB to submit. Do they really think people are that stupid? Why not just ask for a copy of my Birth Certificate?

  13. Tony says:

    …as a follow up, IMHO it’s a numbers game, on both ends. I’ve been out of work for six weeks, and I’ve applied to over 1000 roles on the North East…usually [ am out of work for no more than a few weeks. This week everything broke and I’m headed to a round of second interviews….so my advice is hang in there, for you only need one to to win.

  14. admin says:

    Yes next step they will ask you to give them your credit card. They are a bunch of low-life morons.

  15. Joseph Brown says:

    I have been Recruiting for Technology since 1989.

    Believe me Professional Recruiters feel your pain.
    The response rate on Emails and Voice-Mail is dismal because how low the bar is in this industry.

    There are a great many Professional Indian firms and Recruiters however they are guilty by association because most of the issues are created by their ethnic peers.

    With the advent of the internet any clown who can pay for VOIP and get on Monster.com will christen themselves “I.T Recruiter” or some other really impressive title.

    Go on any social media-Facebook-Linkedin Etc. and the forums are full of dialogue about all the issues related.
    Bottom-Line:
    In 2012 being a “Recruiter” is right up there with “Leper” or member of the Nazi Party.

    Trust me when I say EVERYBODY hates these jack-asses.

    I personally get no less than 20 Emails or calls a day from these clueless rubes who haven’t even the brains to read the title of my resume that says in huge type PROFESSIONAL RECRUITING SPECIALIST!!

    On the bright side I currently have a plethora of great jobs I have been solicited for… such as Senior Oracle DBA, Certified Scrummaster, SAP/SCM Technical Implementation SME and others.

    I don’t qualify for a single one but what the Hell: I always believe in keeping your options open.

    Besides I wager I could get hired and cash a paycheck or two before the clients figured it out. I am certain these so called vendors wouldn’t know or care.

    Joseph Brown (REAL NAME)
    joseph.brown@Valtech.com

  16. Joseph Brown says:

    LISA: Actually there is some validity : ( although not much common-sense in an era that has coined new terminology like “Identity Theft”) to requesting SS#, Birthdates and other personal info.
    This is being driven by major companies in all sectors. It is not uncommon for last 3 -4- even 5 digits of SS# to submit a candidate.

    Some Brain in HR decided to use this for internal tracking: an Email would be just as unique a piece of data but what do I know?

    Here’s my suggestion:

    If you are interested in the position (Expecting it is even Real) submit a bunch of random numbers to satisfy the process. If you get into advanced stages of the hiring process you can correct the mistake and even have a bit of fun by blaming the Recruiter for the confusion.

    This way you hedge your bet if it is a valid job you are in process and if it’s a scam you walkaway without skin left behind.

    Joseph Brown
    joseph.brown@valtech.com

  17. This is priceless and very revealing:

    I told an Indian “recruiter” in a reply to his unsolicited e-mail that I was aware of the scams of Indian “recruiters” and that 99.9% of them were the scum of the Earth. This was his reply:

    ==========================

    I would not need your permission if I wish to use your resume. I can download it online.
    I genuinely have an opening. So I will ignore your insults.

    Thanks ‘n’ Regards
    Bhushan
    Vedainfo, Inc.
    P: 310 667 6651

  18. admin says:

    This piece of scum does not even know that he is going to commit a felony. Of course he lives in the 4th world so nobody could ever prosecute him. He has an opening, inside his skull; lots of air there LOL

  19. osage nation says:

    What a relief to hear! I’ve been looking for a job for 5 years and working 2 – 3 month jobs all over the country with 3 months or more between jobs. I have lost everything so I feel that if I work a job that is not what it was touted to be and they let me go after one or two paychecks, I’m just that much farther from living in my car. But every day it’s a real possibility.
    I’ve become so bitter and saddened by the behavior of recruiters and the East Indians in particular, that I’ve given up looking for a job. I call them east indians because they are the foreigners and I am the Indian – as in native to the reservation in Oklahoma. Their behavior is despicable! I cant deal with it anymore.

    At this point, the car is looking cozy.

  20. admin says:

    I live in Oklahoma so I understand your dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s; I believe to have said that in my initial post. Yes these east Indians are pests, but American recruiters are not any better. It seems that being a recruiter today is like being an used car sales person. All about numbers, nothing about quality. I hope you don’t end up living in your car; keep your chin up my friend!

  21. TravelingTex says:

    I added just two lines to my resume and eliminated 90% of Indian recruiter solicitations, with *apparently* no effect on legit job solicitations. With resumes on Monster and Dice, I was getting at least a daily contact from Indian recruiters for jobs that might or might not even exist, and certainly were not a fit for me either professionally or geographically. I perceived a growing trend toward using “Urgent” and even “Extremely Urgent” in the subject line, all from Indians whose language in the body betrayed that they’re either fresh off the boat or still in their own country.

    By adding “Please, no “urgent” requirements,” I eliminated 75% of these solicitations. I asked an Indian recruiter one time why he listed “urgent” for a state gov’t job, since by law, there is a 60-day window of solicitations for state openings, and then a drawn-out hiring process. He gave me some babble about “You don’t understand the terms that recruiters use…” before I hung up on him.

    The second line I added tomy resume specifies “No solicitation needed for X and Y,” listing two companies whose every job posting caused the Indians to go feverish in outreach. In the case of X, a local hardware manufacturer could post for a janitor or a jet pilot, and the Indian recruiters would filter just for city and then pitch me. If there’s an appropriate opening, it’ll be posted publicly and I’ll respond on my own. In the case of Y, a large, long term project in a city about three hours away, Indian recruiters filter just by state and hustle me. I’ve had more than one tell me, “This is in Texas, so it’s local.”

    (Note to admin: I realized after a previous submission that you can’t accept names, so I apologize for causing you to have to shake your head. Please delete if you haven’t done so already.)

  22. TravelingTex says:

    What is it about Indian recruiters and hang-up calls? Is this a cultural thing? Voice response technology is the same all over the world, it’s not as if Indian voice messaging systems are unreliable in their country but work fine in the U.S., right?

    I had six calls from the same number in half a day, when I was tied up in training and couldn’t take calls. When I called back and asked WTF, the Indian recruiter (second-largest Indian recruiting firm in the U.S., headquartered in a large SE US city with a pretty good NFL team this year) had the nerve to say, “But I kept reaching your voice mail…” Duh, dummy, that’s why it’s called voice mail.

    Another firm, the largest Indian-owned firm in the U.S., has recruiters who don’t coordinate with each other about which recruits they’re contacting. Several times, I’ve had multiple hang-up calls from the same number, minutes apart. When I finally called, the operator said that it was a common number for the recruiting department, who apparently react to every job opening like used-car salesmen competitively sprinting to a new sucker on the lot. Even when I submitted a resume to one recruiter at this firm, I’ve gotten repeat emails from other recruiters. I’ve actually responded to those duplicate emails, “Don’t you guys talk to each other?” with no response.

    Finally, that same firm refuses to understand that I can’t send a resume while I’m at work on my employer’s computer. More than once, when I used to believe in these guys, I promised to send a Word resume when I got home that night. No, that wasn’t good enough – I’ve had multiple calls in the next couple of hours. More than once, when I answered, the guy had the nerve to say, “Where is your resume? You promised to send a resume!”

    Lessons learned the hard way, fellow readers. Don’t get your hopes up, and instead, cut these abusers off. If it’s a legit job, some other recruiter will contact you, or you’ll hear about it on your own.

  23. admin says:

    Your suggestion did not work for me (I think). I put everywhere “NO INDIAN RECRUITERS” (in capitals) and that seemed to attract them even more. The only way I found to stop their calls, was completely removing my last name (useful especially when they re-distribuite your resume) and my phone number. Of course it did not stop emails, but I got my revenge. I own my server, so I filter their emails by domain, then I send them back to the email the recruiters used (the complete address, not just the domain). So ever since their get into my filter, them or one of their colleagues get an email back and ultimately gets pissed off, which is what they do to me. I have also an auto-responder, stating that recruiters won’t get an answer if they propose something stupid (such as a relocation to Texas for a 3 month contract for somebody living in New York), or for unrelated job, or a crappy pay. That auto-responder send them to my online resume (not Careerbuilder or Monster, but on my own server); the htaccess file on my server forbids access to IP addresses located in India and China, so if they take the time to follow the link they get nowhere.

    Now, why should we waste our precious time for these demented individuals?

  24. Deepak Gupta says:

    I agree with all the comments in here. I have been getting annoyed as well, googled “India recruiting scams” and found this blog.

    Imagine being Indian, but American born like me and getting emailed and called like crazy. I thought they were only calling cause of my surname. Holy you know what. You should hear the shock in their voice when they hear an American accent with my name.

    What gave it away was the super thick accent. I just play them like I’m interested and then drag em along and then send them links to them being scams. Ask them super silly questions about Bollywood movies (all email though). Either they vanish or try to convince me otherwise. One wanted to chat with me via phone and I said no thanks – can’t understand your accent. Tell them they are full of it directly or charge them when they tell you to re-write your resume which they can’t read anyway. HA HA

    Gmail filters help and watch the way the email is written. They usually don’t use first names and always name large companies in Silicon Valley – SalesForce and eBay

  25. This is my reply to them in response to their unsolicited e-mails:

    Namaste!

    You are Indian… Let me see… you want to offer me a $25/hour job, right?

    What you probably want is a well-written resume in MS Word format. Then you will remove the American’s name and put Sanjeev’s name on the document.

    I’ve been fooled over 300 times by Indian Recruiters. So I know the games you guys play, and so do most other American IT workers… That’s why people hang up on you when you call them.

    http://billslater.com/indianrecruiters

    Have a nice day!

  26. RS says:

    Really good websites. Too many India based recruiters never come up with any real IT job offers but there are exceptions and don’t want to generalize but 99% of them simply collect resumes on behalf of big IT companies but no one really knows if they are truly representatives of those India based IT companies. In the process, they ask for visa status (seriously, if you have an American Citizenship, still visa status is needed?). Also, they will try to find qualified American Citizens with requested rate information to support H1 candidate. i.e. your resume is a goldmine for them one way or the other. I learnt a lot from this website and lot of great suggestions. We truly don’t need recruiters from India for IT positions in the United States. We are self-sufficient with US based recruiters.

    We really need to come up with a legal solution to counter this trend. They ask for our legal name but fake their own names, use US based phone numbers, address etc and very few even have real business in the United States. Overall, it it is extremely disappointing. Unless there is a truth-in-hiring law (like truth-in-lending), significant time wasted by India based recruiters (please note there are exceptions). If some of these firms are legitimately making money just collecting resume, then we can should find a way to impose financial penalties (like a fine via their phone carriers, if we can find one and severely restrict their capabilities!!!).

    Please, India based IT recruiters, help your own folks in India to find opportunities in India and stop calling us at 4:15am and leave us alone. They are creating a negative image to legitimate Asian/Indian IT based companies and makes it very hard to make the distinction.

    Is there an IT solution to filter out calls originating from India based recruiters? May be a vm, if you are recruiter from India, press 1 to forward the message to Google phone number?

    Thanks, RS

  27. (Broken English…)

    —- Original Message —–
    From: John [mailto:john@intercurve.com]
    To: slater@billslater.com
    Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:01:15 -0500
    Subject: RE: Urgent Need: Sharepoint Project Manager in Madison, WI

    I don’t understand what you are saying, you might had a bitter experience but you should not mistrust every one. Even though you are interested to work with me I am no more interested to work with you. please don’t replay back

    Thanks.

    From: William F. Slater, III [mailto:slater@billslater.com]
    Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:54 PM
    To: john@intercurve.com
    Subject: Re: Urgent Need: Sharepoint Project Manager in Madison, WI

    Namaste, “John” !

    I think you are Indian and using a fake name… Let me see… What you probably want is a well-written resume in MS Word format. Then you will remove the American’s name and put Sanjeev’s name on the document.

    I’ve been fooled over 300 times by Indian Recruiters. So I know the games you guys play, and so do most other American IT workers… That’s why people hang up on you when you call them.

    http://billslater.com/indianrecruiters

    Have a nice day!

    Best regards,

    William Favre Slater, III

    —– Original Message —–
    From: John [mailto:john@intercurve.com]
    To: slater@billslater.com
    Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:50:45 -0500
    Subject: Re: Urgent Need: Sharepoint Project Manager in Madison, WI

    Hello Slater,

    Hope you are doing good, please go through the below requirement and let me know feedback.

    Title: SharePoint Manager
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  28. HarveyWalbanger says:

    Thanks a million for publishing this. I thought I was the only one and thought I was xenophobic or racist for developing a hatred of Indian recruiter phone calls. They always waste my time. There’s never a real job. I usually cannot understand them. The last one called me back 7 times after I politely asked them to email me rather than call. The email requested my SSI#. I then blasted him in the email. He still wrote back requesting my SSI.

    Ok. Now we all know. It’s a hustle factory. It’s a shame to exploit people who may be hurting for jobs. Sheesh!

  29. Matt Dems says:

    Hello, Could not help but notice the content of the thread and as an American of Indian heritage I am embarrassed !! I have interviewed candidates forwarded by the ‘offshore’ recruiters and it is a scam. They have all the buzz words on the resume and they fall flat when posed with challenging technical questions. Additionally they copy resumes’ (complete blocks pertaining to the opportunity). When I approached my manager he said he had no control and that was the corporate directive (to use offshore recruiters). This is truly depressing.

    – M

  30. Lord Humungus says:

    Do what I do, rickroll them. Tell them you have your resume on your website and send them a link to Rick Astley’s Never Gonna Give You Up. That always gives me a good laugh.

  31. donny darko says:

    I wish I had read this post MONTHS ago!

    I am a Procurement Specialist and been looking for work for the last 6 months, these recruiters have been blowing up my email and voicemail with “urgent/hot/ASAP/Hire now” jobs. At first I was excited because these recruiters were calling me, and yes I was sending them my resume in word format not thinking they should already have a copy. I think one time I gave them the last 4 digits of my social 

    I kept thinking, any day now I should have an interview with the hiring company, but no, nothing, nada! I would email the recruiter for an update and they either don’t respond or lie and say my resume is still being reviewed by the hiring manager or my name has been short listed for an interview.

    If I can’t undertsand a word these guys are saying how can they effectively communicate with the companies doing the hiring, answer: they’re NOT!

    It took me 6 months to realize it’s a scam and now I delete their emails and ingore their calls. I am done with them.
    I do have a temp job right now and its through an AMERICAN recuriter and I am happy but I need to start looking again because my assignment is almost up.

    I feel ike such a fool for trusting these guys, I am mortified to think they are modifying my resume and doing who knows what with it, it makes me sick to my stomach.

    I am done with these pushy/lying snake recruiters! I am going to mark their emails as spam from now on.

  32. TravelingTex says:

    In a race for the bottom title of “World’s Biggest Waste of Time,” I may have a winner. An Indian recruiter first left two hang-up calls within an hour of each other. (Didn’t know at first he was Indian, but a Google search showed the number belongs to one of those anonymous “CompuTechResourceITStaffSolutions Co.” names.)

    Then the guy sent me an email with a job description apparently copied straight from a Dept. of Labor job dictionary, no specifics at all, and of course it was “urgent.” (I have on my resumes “No Urgent Requisitions, Please.” Yes, I’ve actually read this line to Indians who call me after such emails. No effect, of course.)

    I replied with a terse email: “I don’t deal with stupid people who make hang-up calls without leaving a professional message.” That should have been the end of it, right? Not so fast! The guy then had the nerve to try to connect with me via LinkedIn! I categorized it as spam with LinkedIn, of course.

  33. TravelingTex says:

    BTW, Lord Humungus, I’ll buy you a cup of coffee sometime. Rickrolling! Fantastic!

  34. Jon says:

    I’m glad i’m not the only racist bastard out there… Well I’m not racist, but getting annoyed by 10 + calls a day calling on Saturday night, and sunday morning kind of put me over the edge. The fact of the matter is, they have to be breaking some kind of law. Or there is a law, with some kind of loop hole.

    I’m a user experience designer, I have a history of working for world wide companies. I do have some “javascript” experience, and then get “java developer” emails/phone Calls. If it’s not bad enough, They will call my house phone, cell phone (sometime the cell phone twice) then send an “URGENT REQUIREMENT” in salt lake city Utah. When I live in Central PA. Oh the duration… 3 months.

    It really bothers me that they will paste their email from “word” and then paste it into the email. Asking me a number of absurd questions. Asking my visa status, my email ID, and my Skype ID. okay “*&#*” if you even read my resume, you would know my address, my name… and what companies I worked for. Why wouldn’t I need a visa.. I’m american. The best is seeing the email in different colors, sometimes red, green, blue… different fonts Times new roman, arial, and verdana, all in the same email at once. Sometimes they are even careless in copying and pasting my name in the email, and not using spaces between my first and last name.

    It’s a total turn off they can’t even give a personal touch to the email to make you feel at home. Or somewhat confident that this is a legit company and not some scam.

    I work for a large company and we completely chopped up our development team and now 90% of our developers as off shore. The company thinks they are saving money. nothing can get done. They quote out for a simple enhancement to the website 9000hrs, and it never gets approved because of the lack of quality that the developers have.

    I was assigned to help with a CSS migration project. The migration happened, and then some of the styles didn’t appear correctly. The off shore team was too lazy to figure it out so they came back to me and asked what was wrong. The issue was the image paths were wrong. Now I directed them and pointed out way before that they would be wrong… and they couldn’t figure it out. Not only are the recruiters dumb, I am convinced that the indian recruiters are stealing resumes, and putting the “buzz words” in their resumes and sealing work to help better their economy. Lets be real, in any large business every company looks to cut costs… and one of them is why pay 60-80 per when you can pay 10 per hour and the senior executive looks like a hero because they saved 500K. Lets be real.. poor quality, and the turn over rate is crazy.

    Final point. we need a petition on this to stop the madness!

  35. I fond out last week exactly WHY most of these Indian Recruiters are behaving in the manner described in this forum.

    They have H1-B quotas to fill, so they want to represent their candidates in a manner to make them look very competitive with American candidates.

    They speak and write in Broken English, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCcwLQ9l5ao ) , so the easiest thing to do is to deceive American IT workers whose qualifications match the Indian H1-B Candidates that they want to place, steal their resumes, and their work is nearly finished. I am sure that the H1-B Candidates have coaches to help them go through the resume with a fine tooth comb and anticipate ever question. I am also sure they have excellent references lined up who will swear they walk on water without getting their feet wet.

    So it’s all a scam. And they get away with it because the U.S. Department of Labor, the U.S. Department of Commerce, nor the U.S. Department of Justice will not touch it with a 10-foot pole.

  36. admin says:

    This is clearly one of those morons!

  37. Tim From PSL says:

    These Indians hound me everyday with at least 5 phone calls and 10 emails. Yesterday I received a call that was clearly coming from a very busy construction stite, airport, etc. someplace incredibly noisy and the person calling acted like they were alone in an air conditioned office. A few weeks ago I had a call for a position that required US Citizenship and a ACTIVE SECRET CLEARANCE and 2 guys on the other end of the phone not only didnt speak english but were not even qualified to ask me about my clearance and my skill set.. Even when I insult them over the phone, they just keep talking.

  38. Antonio says:

    Oh men. I’m amazed that other people have also been victims of these Indian recruiters. They have called me and emailed me so many times. They ask for my resume and I never hear from them again. It took me a while before I realized something was very wrong. So many emails and calls and not a single interview. Ahhhg!

  39. Mo says:

    How about references? Used to be that you supply references at the last stage of the job offer. Is there any way they could use your references?

  40. […] recruits for American companies but they have problem at home. Here are a couple more articles on India’s Recruiters. Commentary on a number of forums are also complaining about how rude they are to people […]

  41. Xander says:

    This has been a long-time annoyance of mine as well. I really can’t stand the fact that I have spent the better part of my career cleaning up the messes that some of these programmers have made now I am getting recruited by them??? Why?? So they can say that they’re in the “IT business”? Ugh…

    Also, one of my favorites that was left on my voicemail was an Indian recruiter trying to get me for the job of, and I quote, “C hash deweloper”… the misspell is my addition but instead of saying “C Sharp (C#)”, he went with “C hash”…. f’ing priceless!

  42. Fuller says:

    I sometime think they are using American applicants for statistical purposes. They will collect applicants and consider them applicants but not qualified and the qualified ones are coming from India, and by this they claim to increase H1-B visa. I had more then 10 job applications from an Indian recruiter but none of them was ever successful.

  43. Eric says:

    Worst thing in recruiting history since the days of the pay the hiring consultants to get a job” scams.

    Yes, this is horrible and annoying. They constantly send emails to me (here in Orange County, CA) for contacts in Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, etc. I get mad at recruiters when they assume that just because I live in southern cal that making the commute from Orange County to North Los Angeles (2 hours each way in traffic) makes sense!

    They often are coming at me with jobs for which I have no background, just skillsets. And they, of course, never give me any information on the company. I also love how they put, “Please send your resume immediately!”, the freaking nerve! No consideration that I might be already employed and in a good job, just “Hey we’ve got this 3 month contract at a place 2000 miles from where you’re living. So drop what you’re doing, send us your resume and tell your wife and kids that it’s time to move to Jackson, Mississippi and to work at Undisclosed Corporation for a brief stint! Maybe you can rent your home quickly enough to make it financially viable. And maybe we’ll extend your contract. So please don’t delay!!”

    I used to reply to them and tell them that the job isn’t right for me, but they never stop. So I add them to my spam list on gmail, but they often morph email addresses.

  44. John says:

    Could not agree more with this article! Read the resume, don’t send me job descriptions that don’t match my skill set (that may work in India, not here… it’s called ‘reputation’, that’s what gets the job, skill set keeps it) and send the damn pay rates. No… I won’t ‘out of pocket’ anything for 3 months for a Fortune 100 recruiting company in India!!! I’ve been there… there isn’t any! And don’t ever, ever, ever, ever pop quiz me on my SME area from a book! I don’t like parrots… Polly don’t want my crackers. 😉

  45. Today, I came up with a classic question to screen out the Indian Recruiters:

    Can you please send me three valid references who can each attest to your skills, accomplishments and integrity as a recruiter?

    I await your reply.

  46. Paul says:

    I was a Windows systems administrator for a large IT company in Maryland for 1.5 years, and sat next to two Indian fellows. We were all contractors (not permanent staff). They were in the U.S. on green cards. Anyway, the subject of technical recruiters came up. One of them said to never trust what an Indian recruiter said, and went on to say that getting paid from an Indian boss could be very difficult. He also said that many Indian recruiters use fake names such as “Tom Cruise” or some other Hollywood star. I took the advice to heart.

    A couple weeks ago, I got a phone call from a guy with a thick Indian accent who identified himself as “Frank Robinson” and wanted my resume. I was going to send it but then remembered the advice from my Indian colleague. So I asked the guy (via e-mail) “Please tell me your real name before I send the resume.” He replied, “My name is Frank Robinson.”

    Of course I dropped communications with him right away. There is no sense in establishing a business relationship if the other party uses a fake name. Live and learn.

  47. Tom says:

    First, on the Indian Anglo sounding names, there are indeed Indians with such names, e.g. Russel Peters the comedian. However, the name does not change the mentality. In the civilized part of the world, my price is desperate when I am desperate, for Indians that is the standard business practice and they end up ruining the market. Somehow, the ended up penetrating the recruiting business in the US and my biggest problem is that they try to bid as low as they can to get the business and end up cannibalizing the market.
    Second, the matter of trust. Indians taught me “Never trust an Indian man” and I found that to be a very wise advice. Lying is just part of the daily routine of an Indian and they are pretty good at it, you can laser focus in their eyes when they lye and they won’t blink.
    Third, professionalism. This is another issue that makes it hard when Indians are involved in a business. “I kept calling you but I was getting your voice mail…” In India if you do not pick up the phone (whether in the middle of a meeting) means I do not wish to talk to you… therefore there is no such concept as voice mail and leaving a message for the other person to call you back.
    Fourth, quality of work. Given that price is always the cheapest so is the quality.
    However, I am wondering if US recruiters are being too lazy and are outsourcing their work (search web sites and find candidates) to the Indians. $1k per month is a very good salary in India and if the US recruiters give $10/hr from our work to the Indian to find them a candidate and negotiate a low rate then all recruiters are winners. Mind you that an Indian can negotiate for ever and even if you agree with them on something then they can keep coming back to renegotiate. So, we might be blaming the Indian recruiters but obviously somebody is feeding them with work and keeps them in business.
    I think that all US IT contractors should come up with an association to preserve their interests else we are in the mercy of US recruiters who do not want to work and make high margins and Indian ‘recruiters’ who do the work for them and ruin the market.

  48. Abraham says:

    It is great! finally someone has noticed this big issue. Whatever is written above is 100% correct and has happened with me too. Not just in USA but it is happening in Canada too. Many of Canadian recruiting firms have hired Indian who are either based in India or have come with so called Canadian work VISA. (This is another issue Canadians are jobless, but Canadian government is issuing work visas, mainly to Indians” In my experience 99% of these recruiters are unqualified, not aware of geographical locations either in US or Canada, as mentioned somewhere above in the thread.

    Whatever is mentioned above is in the USA but what is happening in Canada is more dangerous, please read:

    During the past few months I received many calls from indian recruiters, they clearly mentioned that they are calling from india but hiring for CIBC, BMO, CAPGEMNI, LOBLAW in Canada and also mentioned few names for USA (calls are not from one but multiple recruiters). I am system admin but none of the job was relevant to me they picked up keyword and called me.

    I mentioned that either I do not have experience with this product or do not feel comfortable working with it. Second question was, is it not part of IT? what an innocent question is. making it short I was told to update my resume as per the attached requirement ” I need not to worry as interview will be conducted by a senior person who they placed few months earlier (in most of the cases this person is his Indian fellow or has share in the recruitment commission). Interview will be just a formality, I was surprised that I was hired even without an interview but at later communication it was unfolded that I will have to pay one month of base my salary or $5.00/h for a contract job.

    This is a crime and I confess I did it, two months were enjoyable but in the third month I was transferred to a different department and after few days was told that I am not fit for this position and my services are not required anymore. Sorry, I cannot disclose the names and company.

    Regards,

    ” OH GOD SAVE US FROM INDIANS WHO ARE GROWING IN MILLIONS EVERY SECOND”

  49. Wulfeman says:

    Indian recruiters… There should be a law against them. In my experience most of them are in the US on expired H1 or tourist visas. They speak “Hinglish” and usually operate out of an apartment which is used as a recruiting office by about 10 Indians. Most times they use Magic Jack as a phone provider. They undercut the Computer Technology market with incompetent illegal cheap labor (because they live 10 in an apartment) and cheat Americans out of jobs. Never give them your vital information or else it will be sold or misused. Always ask for a list of their direct clients.
    It is time the government regulated this aspect of bootleg recruiting.

  50. Dave says:

    I had a 12 month job search. I was working, but underemployed. I am working a good job now, but no thanks to the 1,000’s of Indian Fakeruiters I wasted time with. Wow…not even any of the American recruiters treated me with much respect. No call backs in some cases. Just tell me I didnt get it, feedback is great, but just let me close the loop. The last time I was in the market, years ago, you were treated well. Not now. Its a meat grinder. I now think of all the times at dinner, having to ignore my family to field a useless call. All of the Email I responded to. All the lies I believed – always hopeful, and always disappointed. It weighed on me. It took its toll. I finally came to the conclusion that a certain segment of our planet simply do not have a soul. Sad. I wonder if they have any concern or care for what they do to hurt good people. I fear for the future.

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